The Spanish government has a plan to prevent kids from watching porn online: Meet the porn passport.
Officially (and drily) called the Digital Wallet Beta (Cartera Digital Beta), the app Madrid unveiled on Monday would allow internet platforms to check whether a prospective smut-watcher is over 18. Porn-viewers will be asked to use the app to verify their age. Once verified, they’ll receive 30 generated “porn credits” with a one-month validity granting them access to adult content. Enthusiasts will be able to request extra credits.
You have to request more porn credits from the government if you need more? Don’t want the government to be tracking this data of you. This is a privacy issue
Government giving you porn credits sounds hilarious.
So teens learn about Tor & VPNs. This stuff doesn’t work. The higher you put the skills to get access, the more they will learn. Nothing motivates teens more than access to adult stuff. Maybe this is really a tech literacy policy.
Learning to circumvent my parent’s fumbling attempts to keep me off of early nineties bulletin board porn made me the man I am today.
Yup, all you’re doing is teaching them to cover their tracks
A generation of privacy savvy citizens doesn’t sound bad.
Much easier just to go to sketchy websites than learn how to hide your traffic
It’s always porn, isn’t it? We don’t need to protect children from misinformation, fascism, violence, racism, discrimination or exploitation on the internet, it’s always just porn for some reason…
Yes, porn and not giving away all of their data to keep them safe
On the plus side Spains teenagers are about to become extremely computer literate.
In other news, Spain sees a surge in VPN services subscription.
At least it will raise tech literacy among youth. If it isn’t as easy and would require some thinking that’s already better than 99% of homework.
Those kids will install a VPN faster than this bill goes through the Spanish parliament.
Even something as straightforward nowadays as VPN install can educate a person about cybersecurity as a side effect.
Thing is most stuff is simply too easy too acquire nowadays. No effort. No thought. Just endless stream of dopamine that is too addicting to even bother inquiring about how the very thing you are using works.
The victory of convenience will defeat us. There has to be some effort needed to acquire things otherwise they lose any value.
Only applies to sites who are based in Spain, at least the porn bans in the US went somewhat scorched earth, this limp dicked attempt doesn’t even do that.
Wait…I want to be “Secretario de Pornabilidad Social” or “Secretary or Social Probability”
I imagine my self going through all the SSN… Sexual Super Numbers to manage access and report usage.
1335346755 watched 6 hours per day of mostly vanilla doggy.
2356544677 more doggie
More doggie… doggie again. But every now and then… 1257678965534 watched 72 consecutive hours of BDSM where the sub faces downward into a hole in the floor where a camera…then the last does the same and the video cuts to another similar one. We must report this immediately to the right authority!
Porn is everywhere. It’s an endless battle.
The internet should simply be 18+ only at this point.
I strongly disagree. The porn is a huge issue, but there are a lot of actually useful websites where kids and teens can learn about their interests. Gatekeeping all that knowledge would make young people significantly less knowledgeable
Unironically: child safe websites should be under a separate DNS provider from your ISP, provided via a separate ISP router or modem. Setup a separate national level routing.
Seriously. Kids get curated internet only, adults get the firehose.
The idea of porn credits and voluntarily giving the government a list of everything you look at is utter insanity.
While I also like the idea of a separate second “internet” I feel like this is just another ID check requirement. It would still be better than a porn token wallet I guess. Either there would be an identity tied to all traffic from an access point(still a privacy problem) , or the access points themselves would have to be like, kept away from children or something somehow. Parental locks?
Make the children internet token based for kids, use a yubikey or something (no password to learn), and leave the regular internet as is. Make ISPs provide families with kids access to both, either via subnet or dedicated hardware.
From there just have policy to not give the unrestricted network access to kids. Aka parenting. Public institutions like libraries can have most open terminals on the “safenet” and limited public access to the unfiltered net.
For a “poor man’s version” of this concept, you could do a pi-hole sub-network for home use, but the internet elsewhere is still the internet.
That’s one possible idea anyways, and a damn sight better than porn credits.
LMAO, there’s a thing called a Firewall right, PiHole, get one, set it up at home, link the mobile devices through it for proxy or DNS…. Boom, your kids now can’t use the internet for porn or any other unscrupulous reason.
Yea, that’s what I was saying. But if you wanted a national level of this, having ISPs setup a “kid access” subnet that just runs on a separate Wifi SSID would make this idea easier for the non tech savvy.
There’s no way to enforce that outside of parental Intervention, which won’t happen.
National IDs, require an ID to connect, limit the hours for kids. Works in South Korea and China - sure it can be gotten around but that takes a certain amount of effort that isn’t worth it for the majority of the population.
No. Not only no, but fuck no.
Then enjoy all of the negative social outcomes of widespread internet addiction I guess.
Bro out here saying Mass surveillance is a good alternative to good parenting…
Either unrestricted access to the internet hurts children, or it doesn’t. If it hurts children, then we have a societal responsibility to protect them from it. “Good parenting” wouldn’t be able to protect kids from lead in the paint, so why would we expect it to protect them from other widespread harmful contagions?
let’s track everyone on the net with their ID. who are you, a Chinese spy?
I didn’t say track, I said control access. I know my fellow Americans tend to bristle at the idea of doing anything for the common good, but I personally feel that the danger of unregulated media and internet access has been well demonstrated in the past hundred years, and that not regulating it in some capacity is just as negligent as not regulating firearm ownership or toxins in the food.
So school shut be 18+ as well then? The best teacher is the Internet for just about anything. If it is info about how to garden or how to setup networking gear. The internet has it.
Hola señores, necesito más créditos de la pornografía porque sus madres tienen tetas grandes.
Vergas son mejores; te lo doy si te comportas. Lol
Mi chiste favorito de la escuela…Cuando esta lloviendo, a ti te gusta ver gotitas? O ver gototas?
A mi me encantan las ver gototas.
Senior governor, necesitamos assistancia pornografica. Mas creditos por favor! Esas chiches no se pagan solas!
Politicians keep trying to helicopter parent the entire populations of countries.
Making sure your kids don’t go places online before they should, and have conversations with them about it once they reach an age where it happening is inevitable, is something every, single, parent, should do.
Not the fucking state.
And this has to be one the weirdest implementations of porn surveillance I’ve ever seen.
Exactly! Government granted ‘porn credits’ sounds absolutly insane as a serious idea…
Porn “Enthusiasts will be able to request extra credits” is one wild sentence.
A porn “enthusiast”, requesting the government for porn credits, to watch porn? What?
tfw no porn credits
I hate when you’re about to bust and run out of credits. Like, just take the ruined O or power on into the “insert permission slip reference” screen?
drink verification cansqueeze verification dong
In my experience most parents are to lazy to keep up with setting appropriate restrictions for kids and like some parents, they expect someone else to raise and take care of their children.
Folks, this is not about the porn.
So what? I’ve had the exact same experience.
It’s not a reason for the state to overstep into ALL our lives. In fact, the state stepping in is giving such parents yet more excuses to put even less effort into shaping the adults that their children will become.
That’s their problem. I’ll handle my kids, fuck the government and fuck those useless parents as well. They should not have had kids.
…fuck those useless parents as well. They should not have had kids.
But that’s how the problem started in the first place!
It will be fun for one unashamed porn addicted user to keep making so many requests to this service that they break it.
“Javier, it’s been 30 minutes since your last credit application.”
“MORE CREDITS. CAN’T TALK.”
Kids can torrent my dude. Been doing it since I was like 13, and that’s only because before that I was using limewire, then frostwire, then bearshare, then I found torrents because TPB took over. I’ve been pirating since I was like 9.
That is to say: This dumb ass bullshit isn’t even going to work.
I come from a state that has officially mandated that porn websites must verify your age to use them for years. There were many websites that just didn’t give a fuck. X videos in particular. They do now require you to hit a button saying “I’m 18” to process, but I think my point stands.
These laws do nothing, really.
The “I’m 18/21” button on websites has been around since I was a kid in the 90s, used to have to input the “actual” date too so I was born 01/01/1970 according to a lot of now defunct porn sites lol. Also still in use on tobacco, vape, alcohol, and gun websites as well.
But yeah as I am am example of, lying is always possible lol. I guess this passport or the ID thing in some states is supposed to hinder that, but torrent sites throw a wrench into any censorship efforts and they’re already illegal, they won’t play ball with the ID bullshit, ever.
former average dc++ enjoyer here, there’s like 6 of us
There’s half a dozens of us!
Please, I’ve been pirating on C64 before I even got the concept of pirating.
Oohhh someone was born earlier and that makes them the coolest guy ever! “Please” lol.
Jerk-off motion/eye-roll combo.
Umm, didn’t mean to deride you, sorry that I wasn’t clear enough about that, I should’ve been more precise. What I meant to say was that I was pirating before I knew what pirating even meant. I was not old enough at the time and it was in the good old times of C64 when people weren’t generally aware of piracy.
The “please” at the beginning of a statement (not a question) like that is typically used to patronize or condescend, usually only used when being hostile or dismissive. If English isn’t your first language I can understand the misunderstanding.
It’s easier to just use a VPN and pretend to be from anywhere else…
Wow good job Spain.
I guess this works because email doesn’t exist.
I guess this works because file sharing applications and websites don’t exist.
I guess this works because VPN’s free and paid don’t exist.
I guess this works because Tor, i2p, Freenet, and Yggdrasil don’t exist.
I guess this works because torrenting doesn’t exist.
I guess this works because black markets don’t exist.
I guess this works because chat applications don’t exist.
To be a fly on the wall of these government meetings where they talk about this shit would surely be the funniest fucking thing in the world.
You are right, it’s really stupid.
But it’s also stupid not to consider, that it’s not the real reason they made this in the first place.
They want to track you, and porn is the first excuse. If this is a success you might need this passport for alot of other things.
Thank you for contributing!
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I want to be at the meeting a year from now where they realize only two people have ever signed up ‘Yay we fixed porn!’
Buy who am I kidding they brought VPN shares before this was introduced
and probably have some of the most depraved porn habits imaginable
Bought VPN shares and water shipping company shares because they know wasting money on this shit instead of on public infrastructure to provide more reliable clean water is only good for commercial interests.
What the fuck is going on with these porn laws wtf
No one wants to tell the government they’re watching porn, especially in a Catholic country like Spain.
It’s intended to reduce porn use, often to fuel conservative hate-driven ideology movements. Sexually frustrated people are more eager to endorse violence against marginalized groups.
It’s pure sociological manipulation.
Sexually frustrated people are more eager to endorse violence against marginalized groups.
Aren’t they more likely to endorse violence against the politicians enacting these dumb laws in the first place?
Sure. Which is why autocrats turn to fascism (that is a mythical history of an in-group and out-groups) to redirect that outrage against other races, other ethnicities, other religions, women, LGBT+, countercultures, teenagers, immigrants, etc. And it works because the naked ape is already frustrated with society being too big (hundreds of thousands rather than dozens), and is always looking for common traits among bad drivers and untidy neighbors.
And it works every time, since it takes effort to be rational and practice tolerance. Mostly the lumpenproletariat (simple folks who are not politically savvy) are the driving force behind hate campaigns, but the rest of us start wondering if so many people are negging on the Jews, maybe there’s a point. And rumors like blood libel and groomers helps those feelings along. 24-hour propaganda on FOX News and OAN helps too.
The ruling party in Spain is socially progressive, so they’re shooting themselves on the foot with this one.
No one wants to tell the government they’re watching porn, especially in a Catholic country like Spain.
Spain is majority Catholic, but in terms of people having mostly secular lives, it’s very similar to France. If anything, religion has more weight in institutions in relation to its social significance than it should as a leftover from our fascist dictatorship from 50 years ago.
Canada will likely be following suit when Poilievre takes over.
Idiots. I’m certain that absolutely no one wants this. What a shit show.
Shit show you say? That’s one token down
