• Skaryon@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    I love how in every topic about WFH there’s some dudebro going on about the economy suffering due to supposed lessened productivity and I’m like… Why should I care?

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      I love the abstract “productivity”.

      Like yo, cancer is incredibly productive.

      Demolishing subsistence farms and replacing them with cash crop slave plantations is mad profitable.

      I could make thousands of dollars in a day if I just sold everything I own.

      Our metrics of economic growth revolve around basically doing all of the above, to varying degrees of figurative vs. literal-ness.

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        That’s not how productivity works. It’s basically looking at how much a person can produce with a given amount of labor.

        Take that small scale subsistence farmer. Individually, they will live a precarious life. Their country will not have the surplus food needed for other pursuits like building cities, engaging in R&D, developing science, and so on. A smaller and smaller number of people need to be able to feed more and more using less land per person.

        Manually copied manuscripts are another example. They were painstakingly copied over by hand in an incredibly low productivity manner. The introduction of the printing press essentially eliminated an art form, but gave rise to practical mass media.

        In the present day, computers have been the main form of productivity booster. While arguably social media is a drag on productivity, overall computers open up a broad range of possibilities.

        Like yo, cancer is incredibly productive.

        Cancer is incredibly costly to society. Think about it, a single person getting cancer could mean many hours of them being in the hospital. Net zero on productivity

        Demolishing subsistence farms and replacing them with cash crop slave plantations is mad profitable.

        As I detailed above, transitioning from unproductive farms to highly productive farms is necessary. Don’t believe me, ask Mao.

        I could make thousands of dollars in a day if I just sold everything I own.

        That would not be a productive activity since there would be no value added. Arguably there would be less value, since that stuff is likely worth more to you than it is to another person.

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        1 year ago

        This reminded me of an old joke:

        Two economists are walking down the street with their friend when they come across a fresh, streaming pile of dog shit. The first economist jokingly tells the other “I’ll give you a million dollars if you eat that pile of dog shit”. To his surprise, the second economist grabs it off the ground and eats it without hesitation. A deal is a deal so the first economist hands over a million dollars.

        A few minutes later they come across a second pile of shit. The second economist, wanting to give his peer a taste of his own medicine, says he’ll give the first economist a million dollars if he eats it. The first economist agrees and does so, winning him a million dollars.

        Their friend, rather confused, asks what the point of all this was, the first economist gave the second economist a million dollars, and then the second economist gave it right back. All they’ve accomplished is to eat two piles of shit.

        The two economists look rather taken aback. “Well sure,” they say, “but we’ve grown the economy by two million dollars!”

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          The story is interesting but not very lifelike. The first economist would be much richer than the first, if they were OK with spending that much money on humiliating someone else. The likelihood that the second economist would accept the same deal is impossible in my mind. That amount of money is just humiliation money to them, not really worth it.

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    There’s no Americans bragging about that. Corporations and the government, sure. The rest of us are to busy living in pain

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      Most Americans have no clue what the rest of the world is like.

      Most Americans don’t even understand the progressive income tax system we have, they will go so far as to decline raises because it’ll put them in a higher bracket and they think that will mean less take home pay. It doesn’t! You should always take a raise!

      I believe I’ll someday move to a country that has good policies for everything from healthcare, to work life balance, and social safety nets, and I’ll never have to deal with the American nightmare again.

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        To be fair, the rest of the world isn’t easily accessible for most Americans

        Education is broken because on purpose

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          It’s literally one Google search away. And if they want to travel, you’ll be able to speak English to basically everyone (under 40)

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    I recall going to the UK after brexit, to a house party with family friends. I was hounded with how do you function with only a 2 week holiday. I then shared i had 4 weeks after 5 years. They were so confused that we could function with less than 6 weeks of vacation.

    Burn out in the USA is a real thing. Our politicians will never vote for a mandatory vacation for anyone other than them selves

  • JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.sdf.org
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    God please let me move to Europe I don’t even care what language I have to learn I just wanna be able to live without worrying about affording a doctor appointment.

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      just wanna be able to live without worrying about affording a doctor appointment.

      If you avoid the flatlander areas, Canada may be for you. We also speak English; just, without the accent. :-P

      (unless you live on the island that’s an hour’s ferry from France)

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          Idk I’m from the central US and I had a German foreign exchange student tell me we didn’t have a mimicable accent. I know it’s not true but it was interesting to hear that from someone who’s familiar with everyone around her speaking in a completely different way, even when using English.

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    As an american, who gives a shit about all that stuff when your family savings can be wiped out, home foreclosed upon, and bankrupted just because you get sick or suffer an injury!? Even if you plan and do everything right, it could still happen to you, through no fault of your own.

    So, IMO until we have universal healthcare like every other modern nation, they all beat us…