• Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
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    We not only have to stop ignoring the problem, we need to be absolutely clear about what the problem is.

    LLMs don’t hallucinate wrong answers. They hallucinate all answers. Some of those answers will happen to be right.

    If this sounds like nitpicking or quibbling over verbiage, it’s not. This is really, really important to understand. LLMs exist within a hallucinatory false reality. They do not have any comprehension of the truth or untruth of what they are saying, and this means that when they say things that are true, they do not understand why those things are true.

    That is the part that’s crucial to understand. A really simple test of this problem is to ask ChatGPT to back up an answer with sources. It fundamentally cannot do it, because it has no ability to actually comprehend and correlate factual information in that way. This means, for example, that AI is incapable of assessing the potential veracity of the information it gives you. A human can say “That’s a little outside of my area of expertise,” but an LLM cannot. It can only be coded with hard blocks in response to certain keywords to cut it from answering and insert a stock response.

    This distinction, that AI is always hallucinating, is important because of stuff like this:

    But notice how Reid said there was a balance? That’s because a lot of AI researchers don’t actually think hallucinations can be solved. A study out of the National University of Singapore suggested that hallucinations are an inevitable outcome of all large language models. **Just as no person is 100 percent right all the time, neither are these computers. **

    That is some fucking toxic shit right there. Treating the fallibility of LLMs as analogous to the fallibility of humans is a huge, huge false equivalence. Humans can be wrong, but we’re wrong in ways that allow us the capacity to grow and learn. Even when we are wrong about things, we can often learn from how we are wrong. There’s a structure to how humans learn and process information that allows us to interrogate our failures and adjust for them.

    When an LLM is wrong, we just have to force it to keep rolling the dice until it’s right. It cannot explain its reasoning. It cannot provide proof of work. I work in a field where I often have to direct the efforts of people who know more about specific subjects than I do, and part of how you do that is you get people to explain their reasoning, and you go back and forth testing propositions and arguments with them. You say “I want this, what are the specific challenges involved in doing it?” They tell you it’s really hard, you ask them why. They break things down for you, and together you find solutions. With an LLM, if you ask it why something works the way it does, it will commit to the bit and proceed to hallucinate false facts and false premises to support its false answer, because it’s not operating in the same reality you are, nor does it have any conception of reality in the first place.

  • allo@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    without reading the article, this is the best summary I could come up with:

    Mainstream government tied media keeps hallucinatin up facts. Republican, democrat, doesn’t matter; they hallucinate up facts. Time to stop ignoring human’s hallucination problem. At least with ai, they don’t have some subversive agenda beneath the surface when they do it. Time to help ai take over the world bbl

  • Wirlocke@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    I’m a bit annoyed at all the people being pedantic about the term hallucinate.

    Programmers use preexisting concepts as allegory for computer concepts all the time.

    Your file isn’t really a file, your desktop isn’t a desk, your recycling bin isn’t a recycling bin.

    [Insert the entirety of Object Oriented Programming here]

    Neural networks aren’t really neurons, genetic algorithms isn’t really genetics, and the LLM isn’t really hallucinating.

    But it easily conveys what the bug is. It only personifies the LLM because the English language almost always personifies the subject. The moment you apply a verb on an object you imply it performed an action, unless you limit yourself to esoteric words/acronyms or you use several words to overexplain everytime.

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      What I don’t like about it is that it makes it sound more benign than it is. Which also points to who decided to use that term - AI promoters/proponents.

      Edit: it’s like all of the bills/acts in congress where they name them something like “The Protect Children Online Act” and you ask, “well, what does it do?” And they say something like, “it lets local police read all of your messages so they can look for any dangers to children.”

      • zalgotext@sh.itjust.works
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        The term “hallucination” has been used for years in AI/ML academia. I reading about AI hallucinations ten years ago when I was in college. The term was originally coined by researchers and mathematicians, not the snake oil salesman pushing AI today.

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          I had no idea about this. I studied neural networks briefly over 10 years ago, but hadn’t heard the term until the last year or two.

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    It will never be solved. Even the greatest hypothetical super intelligence is limited by what it can observe and process. Omniscience doesn’t exist in the physical world. Humans hallucinate too - all the time. It’s just that our approximations are usually correct, and then we don’t call it a hallucination anymore. But realistically, the signals coming from our feet take longer to process than those from our eyes, so our brain has to predict information to create the experience. It’s also why we don’t notice our blinks, or why we don’t see the blind spot our eyes have.

    AI representing a more primitive version of our brains will hallucinate far more, especially because it cannot verify anything in the real world and is limited by the data it has been given, which it has to treat as ultimate truth. The mistake was trying to turn AI into a source of truth.

    Hallucinations shouldn’t be treated like a bug. They are a feature - just not one the big tech companies wanted.

    When humans hallucinate on purpose (and not due to illness), we get imagination and dreams; fuel for fiction, but not for reality.

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      2 months ago

      Very long layman take. Why is there always so many of these on every ai post? What do you get from guesstimating how the technology works?

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        2 months ago

        I’m not an expert in AI, I will admit. But I’m not a layman either. We’re all anonymous on here anyways. Why not leave a comment explaining what you disagree with?

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          I want to just understand why people get so passionate about explaining how things work, especially in this field where even the experts themselves just don’t understand how it works? It’s just an interesting phenomenon to me

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            Seems like there are a lot of half baked ideas online about AI that seem to come from assumptions based on some sci-fi ideal or something. People are shocked that an artificial intelligence gets things wrong when they themselves have probably made a handful of incorrect assumptions today. This Tom Scott talk is a great explanation of how truth can never be programmed into anything. And will never really be obtainable to humanity in the foreseeable future.

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              Yeah! That’s probably a good portion of it, but exasterbated by the general hate for ai, which is understandable due to the conglomorates abusive training data